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Pink slips pile up in Florida

By Kris Hundley, Times Staff Writer
In print: Saturday, May 17, 2008


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Michigan may have trounced Florida in football this year, but we just slammed our Rust Belt rivals in a category where they have long held prominence: job losses.

For April, Florida led the nation for the largest month-over-month drop in employment levels. From March to April, the state lost 25,300 jobs. Michigan, meanwhile, shed 18,600 positions over the month.

"It's certainly not a position we're used to,'' said Rebecca Rust, economist with Florida's Agency for Workforce Innovation. "We've been a leader in job creation for most of the last decade because of the construction boom, which was exacerbated by hurricane recovery. When you're up so high, you have farther to fall."

Florida's dubious honor emerged from state and federal employment reports issued Friday. They showed that while the unemployment rate remained level in Florida from March to April, at 4.9 percent, that's only part of the story. Month-over-month job loss is another indicator of a state economy's health or lack thereof.

In retrospect, signs of trouble had been brewing for a while: Florida actually had the highest number of month-over-month job losses five times since January 2007. But those deficiencies were often not immediately visible because of the sampling method of employers used to derive the monthly figures.

A spokesman for the state's jobs agency said year-over-year comparisons are considered more accurate. But there, too, Florida's showing was poor in April, with a net loss of 64,500 positions since April 2007. Michigan, with its long-suffering auto industry, fared worse by this metric, losing 72,100 for the year. In Florida, the biggest contributor to the job drain was the construction sector, responsible for 63 percent of the loss.

Mark Vitner, an economist with Wachovia, said the results shouldn't come as any surprise.

"Florida has seen the bottom come out of the housing industry and that sums up all the job losses," he said. "I do think construction will bottom out in 2008, but we won't see housing return to strength until 2011 or 2012."

Though fallout from the real estate bust affected employment levels statewide, the Orlando area still managed to net gains over the past year, adding 6,200 jobs, many in the still-growing leisure and hospitality sector. The Tampa Bay area, meanwhile, lost 13,800 jobs for the year. Unemployment in the bay area was 4.9 percent in April, down slightly from 5.1 percent in March, but well above the year-ago level of 3.6.

After six years of running below U.S. averages, Florida and the Tampa Bay area's jobless rates nearly caught up with the national average of 5 percent in April. Sean Snaith, an economist with the University of Central Florida, said the convergence of rates was expected.

"I think we'll continue to see job losses through the summer," he said. "And unemployment will drift slowly higher through 2008."

Snaith predicted Florida's rebound will be hampered by the chill in the credit markets.

But he and other economists said it wasn't helpful to get hung up on Florida's sudden appearance in the loser's column with Michigan.

"There are some real structural problems affecting that state and they've been in dire straits much longer," Snaith said of Michigan, where unemployment is 6.9 percent. "Our problems are more a cyclical function of the insane real estate market we've been in. Once we get out of 2008, things will start to brighten."



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Comments on this article
by asa May 22, 2008 1:26 PM
one out of four jobs in florida is hooked to the r.e. industry.
by Patrick May 21, 2008 2:45 PM
Optimist, I think that's exactly what they want.
by tom May 20, 2008 4:26 PM
How come only 'certain' comments get to make this list? Talk about censorship and china!
by ted May 20, 2008 4:21 PM
John has it right...except the number of applicants for jobs I apply for usually exceeds 400-500!...and I have been looking now for over 5+ years...MBA BBA 20+ yrs experience in my field...The experts and Bush 'ReBUBlicans" are full of it as usual...
by Optimist May 20, 2008 4:17 PM
Take the pink slip to the Army or Marine recruiting station. Might be the key to a new and rewarding career.
by pop May 20, 2008 4:16 PM
the can pass out pink slips fast, but dont realize the money being used on new projects like a bike or path walk along courtney cambell causeway that money as well as the money for the river walk in down town tampa, that money could sure be used else
by Joe May 20, 2008 4:04 PM
Art there's a place where you can try out all your ideas, it's called Comunist China. SS trust fund? Are you kidding me? There is no special "account" that holds SS Money! It's all one big slush fund for redistrubution of wealth.
by Patty May 20, 2008 11:04 AM
FL thinks 2nd home owners are tourists I guess,that they can afford to pay full RE taxes.Now that they're leaving for friendlier states there is a ripple effect.And double dippers are taking jobs from unemployed.Reassess homes & bring in new business
by kevin May 20, 2008 10:59 AM
tim: thats exactly that kind of uninformed thought process i'd expect for that argument.
by Lisa May 20, 2008 10:59 AM
Is it time for the corporations to stop lining their pockets by sending so many millions of jobs overseas? They have hurt us worse than Al Quada ever could. Imagine if we had a govt that worked for us... Want more? Vote McSame.
by Art May 20, 2008 10:58 AM
Oh, and my answer? 10% tax on every taxable penny up to $200,000/year, and an 80% tax on every penny over that. Municipalize Pro Sports, pay the athletes LESS than soldiers, use the profits to pay soldiers, disabled vets, teachers, cops.
by Art May 20, 2008 10:58 AM
Don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather they'd taken the "economic stimulus money" and put it BACK into the Social Security Trust Fund. Just like my policy on credit, pay bills first, then give to others, our gov't should do the same.
by Jack May 20, 2008 10:56 AM
Sean Snaith was quoted just a few months ago that there was no housing bubble, but the slight downturn (as he saw it) would correct in mid 2008, blah blah blah, blah blah. Why keep quoting the same dumb dumbs that have been wrong for years now?
by Lauren May 19, 2008 1:21 PM
Just a question - what do you and I do to make it better? I'm done with leaving it up to government.
by Fla voter May 19, 2008 12:14 PM
Chalk up another proud accomplishment for our Governor. Maybe we could get the Governor and the Legislature to stop helping us so much and behave responsibly! Its frightning to think that Crist is actualy being considered as a Vice pres candidate.
by John May 19, 2008 10:29 AM
Anybody wanna buy a million-dollar condo on Clearwater Beach? LOL
by Tim May 19, 2008 10:29 AM
Hey Ray, what's your plan? Raise taxes on your boss so he can't afford to pay you? And you still want him to keep you on the payroll? Nice thinking.
by Sam May 18, 2008 1:53 PM
Ray don't be stupid....Florida is a tourist state. Less tourism means less jobs here. Slower economy means less tourism. Now go spend your economic stimulus money.
by Questioning Mind May 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Wait a second, you're talking about how the jobs are being lost all over Florida - but you're not talking about the 200+ let go by the Times in the last 1.5 years? How's that not relevant?
by ENough May 18, 2008 11:55 AM
I agree with Alex. Fudging the numbers makes it look way better than it is. Once unemployment insurance runs out out of work folks are no longer counted.
by Melissa May 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Now is a good time for all the people wanting to live off the sun to go home. And take your tax burden (children)with you!
by Rob May 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Michigan beat UF 41-35, hardly a trouncing. UF beat Ohio State two years ago 41-14. Now THAT is a trouncing. Keep college football metaphors out of the news, please. Job losses are serious, football is for fun. Half our state is from up north, anyway
by Sick n' Tired May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
I have seen this trend for over a year now.
by John May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
These numbers are still way off. I have been out of work for 2 years. Every job I apply for had 50 to 100 other applications. This is almost as bad as the Great Depession.
by Arlene May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
I have exhausted my unemployment benefits. I do think I should be counted in that number. I do wish that the people who calculate statistics would be pounding the pavement looking for a job. Discouraging. Retraining in the medical field now.
by Kenny May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
Amen Alex. I echo your thoughts. But the "average American" doesn't have any concept of those people. And they count 1 person with 2 jobs as 2 employed persons. Bull!!! Our Republicans LIE and are leading us into disaster.
by louise May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
if our state made it more attractive to live here ... bring your gun to work day made us look like an old western town. we have slaughtered the environment that made us special!
by ted May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
Alex...I agree...been looking fro real work for 3 years....MBA...BBA...18 yrs experience in my field (IT)...I have no clue what these 'experts' are counting!!
by Lynn May 18, 2008 11:54 AM
I think the unemployment rates here in FL are much higher. After getting laid off for the DOD, City and etc., I am now making the least that I have made in the past 30 years. Where do we go from here. I am getting ready to lose everything! Now what?
by Ray May 17, 2008 3:45 PM
Once again Republican tax cuts for the top 1% show their true effectiveness.
by Dataperson May 17, 2008 3:42 PM
Mich and FL are in same boat; too much reliance on limited industries. FL used to have ag; now, construction and tourism. Both depend too much on good economy. This state must diversify economic base.Alternative energy development one good idea.
by GAThomas May 17, 2008 3:42 PM
Do the math Florida minimum wage is $6.79. Average gas price is $3.69 headed to $4.00, maybe more.Subtract taxes & SS and medicare What is the point of going to work????
by Alex May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
What bogus numbers It makes no attempt to count the underemployed or those who have been out of work longer than 6 months.
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