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Referral service no magic for soggy homeowner

By Ivan Penn, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, March 28, 2008


Since he got a new roof, it sometimes rains through the ceiling in his den, says William Toledo of Tampa. Water stains mark the walls, ceilings and floors, and mold is a serious problem.
Since he got a new roof, it sometimes rains through the ceiling in his den, says William Toledo of Tampa. Water stains mark the walls, ceilings and floors, and mold is a serious problem.
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You want a contractor but fear getting duped by a scam artist or hit with shoddy construction.

So you turn to a referral service, as Tampa resident William Toledo did in November 2007 when he called ServiceMagic.com, a Colorado-based Internet company.

He figured he would land a licensed and insured roofing contractor with a clean record.

The contractor was licensed and insured, but ServiceMagic didn't warn Toledo about Patriot Roofing Industries Inc.'s mounting troubles: dozens of consumer complaints throughout the Tampa Bay area; repeated suspensions of the company's contracting registration in Pinellas County; and a lawsuit in U.S. District Court by an employee on behalf of all of the company's workers who had gone unpaid.

Toledo has now added his own complaint against Patriot Roofing.

His new roof leaked, causing an estimated $40,000 in damage that includes collapsing ceilings and moldy, water-stained walls and floors.

"It's a disaster," said Toledo, a 48-year-old retired U.S. Marine. "I don't know what the heck they were thinking when they recommended Patriot to me."

Nowadays, you have to vet the referral service, too.

"You've got to be real careful about that stuff," Kevin Jackson, of the Hillsborough Consumer Protection Agency, said of referral services. "You've got to look at what the financial relationship is between the referral service and the contractor."

ServiceMagic, founded in December 1998, provides referrals free to consumers. Contractors pay fees ranging from $8 for maid referrals to $65 for remodeling projects.

Craig Smith, chief executive officer of ServiceMagic.com, said in a statement that as a result of Toledo's case, his company has removed Patriot Roofing from its "active list" and terminated its business relationship with the company.

"We expect and demand nothing less than excellent quality and customer service from the professionals in our network and as a result have taken immediate action to address this complaint," Smith said.

Multiple inquiries

The state Department of Business and Professional Regulation, which has received eight complaints against Patriot Roofing's owner, Marco Alamina, recommended in January that the state take some action against his license, ranging from probation to revocation. A final determination is pending.

In addition, Pinellas and Hillsborough prosecutors are investigating whether Patriot Roofing took money but failed to perform work for some clients. And the federal government has filed an action against Alamina for failing to respond to summons about his 2005 income taxes.

Alamina, 30, says that his company "had a bad run" but that he believes in making things right for his customers. The company does about 450 to 500 jobs a year, he said. "If people understand the volume, it's nowhere near as bad as it seems. I know we've upset people, but we did not break any laws."

Regarding the federal lawsuit, Alamina says he does not owe any of his employees money.

Toledo contracted Alamina's company after receiving the recommendation from ServiceMagic. Last year in the Tampa Bay area, the company provided 27,000 contractor referrals, which include a 10-point screening for such checks as business filings, appropriate state licensing, criminal records searches, sex offender records and civil judgments.

Despite its procedures, ServiceMagic did not find the half-dozen complaints against Patriot Roofing's state license or the lawsuit against the company. Based on its screening process, the company never would have found the dozens of consumer complaints or the registration suspensions in Pinellas.

'A nightmare'

With ServiceMagic, Toledo thought he would escape the kinds of problems other consumers had suffered during home improvements.

On Nov. 29, 2007, Toledo contracted with Patriot Roofing Industries Inc., now based at 1550 S Missouri Ave. in Clearwater.

In January, workers installed the new roof for $8,650. Then the rain came.

"It was like raining, literally raining inside my den," Toledo said. "I had trash cans, garbage cans full of water. … It was a nightmare."

After 16 attempts to repair his mostly flat roof, the company still hasn't stopped the leaks. The stench of mold floats through much of the home. Water stains dot the walls, ceilings and floors. The ceiling is collapsing in some rooms under the weight of the water pooling on parts of his roof.

Alamina admits there were problems with the work, but he said the leaks began before the new roof was installed. "That particular house already was a nightmare," he said. He said he has promised Toledo a new roof.

Alamina has run businesses in Pinellas, from painting to window installation to roofing, for more than a decade. Mention him to Tampa Bay consumer agencies and regulatory authorities and you'll get an earful.

Hearing is today

Rod Fischer, executive director of the Pinellas County Construction Licensing Board, said his agency suspended Alamina's license for the fourth time on March 18, after 17 complaints against his building license and 11 complaints against his roofing license.

Alamina is due for a reinstatement hearing today.

"He's not likely to get reinstated," Fischer said.

Suspension of his Pinellas registration does not prevent him from doing business in other counties.

Only the state licensing agency has authority to sanction a state license, an action requiring a complaint or discipline from another governmental body. Then, as with Alamina, the complaints must go through the department's hearing and review process, which can take months.

Governmental sanctions often require more than shoddy work. Generally, it must be proven that the contractor violated a code or law. In the criminal reviews against Alamina, investigators are reviewing whether he defrauded customers.

ServiceMagic said it is working with Toledo to find a resolution to his roofing troubles.

Toledo said ServiceMagic has offered him $500 to hold it harmless for the damages. But he just shakes his head.

"I do hold them responsible," Toledo said. "They're the ones who recommended these knuckleheads to me."

Ivan Penn can be reached at ipenn@sptimes.com or 727-892-2332.





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Comments on this article
by Scott Apr 2, 2008 6:16 AM
Angie's List is definetly NOT the answer. Personal experience told me that they also refer non-licensed help in Pinellas County. Sometimes, you don't even get what you pay for. Angie's List is a joke, along w/ all the "handym
by Lewis Apr 1, 2008 1:26 PM
All tthe comments I read about this story there was only one with good information. To many lic. and un-lic. cheats in FL. Salution higher a Roof Consultant to protect your intrests. He works strictly for the home owner best intrest.
by Erik Mar 30, 2008 9:35 AM
The best way to find a great contractor is to educate yourself prior to making initial contact... Learn as much as you can about the work you want completed. You should make contact several times, in person. Ask for detailed technical drawings.
by john Mar 28, 2008 1:41 PM
Jeff, facts would be nice but you dont have any do you?
by Unlucky Mar 28, 2008 1:34 PM
I too had my roof put replaced by Patriot Roofing. It was not a pleasant experience. The owner did try to make things right BUT my roof won't pass inspection.
by Carol2 Mar 28, 2008 12:07 PM
Jeff - don't try to make this a political thing. Consumers need to use good common sense - using a faceless internet referral source without checking contractors background is NOT good sense.
by Carol Mar 28, 2008 12:07 PM
Basic hiring a contractor 101 - check with the Better Business Bureau; check with your county building dept. about license status & complaints; ask contractor for names/phone of local satisfied customers and call them; require
by Paul Mar 28, 2008 12:07 PM
Ah, referal services. What a bunch of crap. They will refer anybody with a pulse willing to pay them money to promote. Its still up to the individual to completely check out businesses.
by J Sudberry Mar 28, 2008 12:07 PM
As the Director of the Hillsborough County Consumer Protection Agency, I can only say use your Pinellas County CPA and ours, We are YOUR asset,your taxes, not business memberships, pay our salaries and our responsibility is to serve YOU our employer.
by J Sudberry Mar 28, 2008 12:05 PM
To commenter Jeff. I am the director of the Hillsborough County Consumer Protection Agency and your statement is incorrect at least for Hillsborough. It was actually a Republican Comissioner that let the fight to increase our size and authority.
by Jeff Mar 28, 2008 12:04 PM
If we only had a democratic party then we would not have leaky roofs. Vote for Hillary for President. No more leaky roofs.
by TarBucket Mar 28, 2008 12:04 PM
Seems, so many in Florida are Jack of all trades. One minute, they're roofers, the next minute plumbers and when that drys up they're investment bankers, foreign affairs experts and accountants. I believe it's the "Git Er Done&q
by Linda Mar 28, 2008 12:04 PM
Jeff's right, there is poor protection for consumers and a house is the biggest investment you own. And warranties are no good if they're not honored.
by Linda Mar 28, 2008 12:02 PM
Better Business Bureau is not the answer. We built a house with a developer in good standing with BBB and it was defective- full of leaks and ultimately mold-infested. You have to check court records for lawsuits and the county records. Jef
by karen Mar 28, 2008 12:02 PM
I was looking to have my kithchen redone, so I looked for a contractor on Angies List. I hired American Home Imporovement Team a contractor on their list only to find out this contractor had more complaints against him then you can imagine.
by Fred Mar 28, 2008 12:02 PM
Wouldn't a simple call to Tampa's consumer protection been more effective?
by Steve Mar 28, 2008 12:01 PM
This is more proof of the poor protection for consumers that the democrat party provides. They only care about business interests and let the consumer beware.
by Gene Mar 28, 2008 12:01 PM
Yes Jeff, It's Bush's fault!!!!! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, - you have to be kidding!!!
by Jack Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
Go after Service and Patriot. For those complaining about red/blue, Fla. has the most liberal court system in the country.
by JR Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
I've used Dan McCullers Roofing twice and have referred them to others, was very satisfied with the speed and quality of their work.
by Glenn Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
As a state licensed residential contractor I am embarrassed by stories such as this. As a contractor, you can't please everybody 100% of the time, but there is no excuse for poor worksmanship.
by Holly Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
Sounds to me it would be better to find someone locally that has had repair work vs using an Internet referral service. Hope he takes them to court!
by J Peters Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
Nothing is free, not even good information. He should have paid for an Angies's List Subscription and this never would have happened.
by Carol Mar 28, 2008 12:00 PM
I've used angieslist.com with varing degrees of success. Still I checked the BBB (Better Business Bureau) website and called references on whoever I was considering. This was a good wakeup call for all of us.
by Ernest Mar 28, 2008 10:02 AM
There is no substitue for quailty work and warranties, sometimes you have pay a little more but you the best result,I use The Home Depot, no problems.
by jackie o Mar 28, 2008 9:02 AM
Why go to the internet to find a roofer?Local inquiries would be more informative.What good is ServiceMagic unless it stands behind the workers it recommends?Businesses pay to be listed on it.Good luck suing in the state of scams.Two words-blue
by James Mar 28, 2008 9:01 AM
I am dealing with the same issues. I used the same referal service and used Patriot on my roof. I have been having the same issues with leaks and poor workmanship. They (Marco) the owner have been very poor in thier response. I still have o
by kb Mar 28, 2008 8:59 AM
these contractors need to be sued until they learn their lesson. contractors should not be permitted to mess around. there is an implied warranty in the work that they do and if they are careless they should be sued for damages. nothing less.
by Jeff Mar 28, 2008 8:58 AM
This is more proof of the poor protection for consumers that the republican party provides. They only care about business interests and let the consumer beware.
by Carol Mar 28, 2008 8:58 AM
Toledo was responsible for checking out Patriot regardless of where he got the name. I did a quick check with the Better Business Bureau - totally unsatisfactory record. These guys never would have seen the outside of my house - and I'
by Sal Mar 28, 2008 8:58 AM
I cringe whenever I have to have anybody touch my home or cars. It seems like everyone in FL just screws something up and makes it worse. Now I just try to buy new and sell when warranties end and maintenance starts(houses and cars).
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