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The Tampa Bay Rays released their plan this week to pay for a new $450-million waterfront stadium. The St. Petersburg Times asked four stadium experts to double-check the Rays' math. The Times presented the experts below with the same details that the Rays released Thursday at a meeting with the City Council, along with a story published by the Times about the plan. The Times then asked the experts, who all are generally critical of taxpayer-funded sports facilities, to examine the materials and prepare an analysis to compare the Rays' plan to other stadium developments. The Rays $450-million financing plan includes $150-million from the team, $175-million by extending city and county payments now made at Tropicana Field, $70-million from the developer purchasing the 86-acre Tropicana site, and $55-million from guaranteed parking revenues.
Mark S. Rosentraub
The public cost is NOT the advertised $175-million but $245-million, since the funding involves the sale of a public asset (Tropicana Field site).
It is not really appropriate to count that money as private investment since the funds are from the sale of a public asset given that the public sector paid for the existing stadium. So the public sector share is more appropriately estimated at $245-million, or quite a bit more than half of the cost of the project. Things could be higher depending on the accounting involving the parking but without further study it cannot be determined if there are any costs that will be supported by the public sector.
You then raise the most important question.
In a market the size of Tampa/St. Petersburg, with its existing interest levels of interest in baseball, is this an appropriate mix?
Given that Major League Baseball's revenue sharing (a portion of MLB proceeds shared by all teams) is generating more money for the ownership of the Rays than is currently paid to players, it is clear that the public sector is underwriting a substantial portion of the cost of the new ballpark creating tremendous upside potential for the owner to earn additional revenue (if player costs do not increase).
Without a commitment from the team to maintain a competitive to payroll and tr take part in related real estate investments that could generate new tax revenues for the city, the public sector should be aware that there is risk relative to the team's long-term performance and the economic performance of the area around the ballpark. The public sector's risks relative to the size of its investments in the ballpark would appear to be greater than those taken by the team and its ownership.
So the question for the community becomes, "Is it worth $245-million to ensure that MLB remains very profitable in the Tampa/St. Petersburg region without securing (a) guarantees for related private sector development which could improve tax levels while (b) hoping the owner will continue to field a competitive team beyond relying on MLB revenue sharing funds?
If the community and its leadership are content to commit that much money understanding these limitations, then this might be seen by the community as acceptable. If, however, those questions raise concerns, then there might be some further discussions and analysis required.
Victor A. Matheson
I obviously tend to be an opponent of stadium subsidies, and I strongly object to the designation of public asset sales as private financing, but I don't want to be too cynical here.
The stadium design sure looks cool, and if they really can reduce the footprint from 100 acres to 15, primarily by eliminating the fields of parking lots around the current stadium (freeing up a major area for development), then that is clearly worth something to the city. How they replace those acres of parking, however, is unclear.
Also, the claimed public-private mix is misleading — $70-million or 16 percent comes from the sale of the old Tropicana site. The boosters claim this is private financing for the stadium. When a city sells its assets in order to pay for a project, the funds raised from the sale of that project shouldn't be considered private funds.
If you go to a new car dealer and pay $20,000 for a new car and get $10,000 for your trade-in, you wouldn't claim that the dealer paid for half of your car. The public private mix is at best 45 percent private and 55 percent public.
The parking revenues shouldn't necessarily be considered private, either. The city is being asked to sell parking spaces to the Rays and then turn around and give the entire sale price for these spaces right back to the Rays.
While this proposal does serve to finance the stadium without raising other taxes, giving the Rays free city-owned parking spaces that they can use to finance the construction of their stadium is hardly private financing. Thus, the public private mix looks more like 33 percent private and 67 percent public.
Both of these revenue sources are essentially selling city-owned property to finance the stadium. This is not private financing, even if a private business buys these assets. It hardly looks like one of "the largest private payments for a new ballpark in MLB."
Neil deMause
The Rays' financing plan is typical of reports put out by sports teams in that it's not a financing plan. Rather, it's a PR document that leaves out most of the important details. That said, there are a few interesting points here:
• If the city is going to consider this plan, it's vitally important to make sure the Rays agree to pay all cost overruns — not just those directly connected with stadium construction.
• The Rays claim that the proposal is among the most generous in all of baseball for taxpayers is extremely misleading, as it leaves out the costs of land, infrastructure, tax breaks, and other "indirect" subsidies. (The Mets' new stadium, for example, is listed as 100 percent private, but it's actually about 47 percent private, 53 percent public.)
• Counting $70-million from the sale of Tropicana Field as a "private" contribution is somewhat sketchy, given that it's owned by the city. Yes, it would be money that wouldn't have to come out of the treasury, but the city would also be losing an asset.
• The Rays promise that "putting Tropicana Field back on the tax rolls will increase tax revenue for city, county, schools, and other taxing authorities to support public services." However, that ignores one huge issue: Developing the Trop site with housing and office buildings would also add new city costs — for schools, roads, police and fire services, etc.
As a baseball fan, I'd love to see the Rays get out of their dome and into the sunshine. But without more light shed on the details of this plan, I'm not convinced it's a win for local taxpayers.
Andrew Zimbalist
This is capitalism and any project carries risks.
However, smaller markets usually pick up a higher share of financing costs and the average public financing share for sports facilities is around 67 percent.
The public share in the Rays' proposal appears to be under 40 percent. Further, while again there are uncertainties, the release of some 85 acres for alternative development suggests a much more positive economic impact outlook than the conventional stadium project.
The point about the 85 acres is that without this proposal, the land is tied up for a long time. By the team reducing its footprint, they enable the city to generate revenue not currently generated.
I think this is a creative and balanced proposal (with some questions still to be answered, to be sure) from the Rays that stands a far better chance for actually having a pro-development impact than the vast majority of stadium proposals of the past.
Rosentraub, 58, is dean of Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University. He has worked for several cities hoping to retain teams and build sports facilities.
Matheson, 38, has been an assistant economics professor at College of the Holy Cross since 2004 and has contributed to dozens of scholarly articles about the economics of sports.
deMause, 42, is the co-author of Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money into Private Profit. He also runs the Web site, www.fieldofschemes.com.
Zimbalist, 60, is a professor of economics at Smith College in Massachusetts. Zimbalist has published 18 books, including his latest, The Bottom Line: Observations and Arguments on the Sports Business.
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Comments on this article
by Disgustedin StPete
May 19, 2008 10:35 AM
Why subsidize business when we can't afford basic services like neighborhood policing?Why should taxpayers subsidize profitable business AT ALL?Why destroy public waterfront for private profits?Stink of corruption covers our good-ole-boy town.Sick.
by ML
May 18, 2008 11:28 AM
The problem with "proposals" is that they find a way to make it all look so rosy in order to get the populus behind them, then with the wave of their wands, they pull the rug out from underneath & change it all up! Then we're left footing the bill!
by Wolf
May 18, 2008 11:28 AM
"L" got it right: if the St. Pete "Junta" can make $$ by raping the tax payers-it will be built. All of these proposals, meetings, and news articles are just there to make the "people" feel as if their votes counts-it doesn't, never has, never will.
by 727guy
May 18, 2008 11:28 AM
@MLM - so what, they can't win in the stadium they're in now? Why would we feel smarter for building a 1/2 billion dollar ballpark just because they won? I dont follow your logic at all.
by 727guy
May 18, 2008 11:27 AM
@RayF - did you ever stop to consider the reason financial experts are "generally critical of taxpayer-funded sports facilities" is because they're usually bad for taxpayers?
by JT
May 18, 2008 11:27 AM
No Thank You Rays. I don't want to own a part of your franchise nor do I want you further accessing city/county assets/taxes in order to fund or operate your business with. Politicians are suffering from special interest syndrome. Get over it.
by John
May 17, 2008 11:53 PM
And again...extending a tax that already exists is not "hey you aren't paying for this," because YOU STILL ARE!
by Dave in St Pete
May 17, 2008 11:53 PM
At best we will pay 55%, worst is 67% +. Why should the people (We are the city) invest in a business to the tune of 1/2 - 2/3 and with no promise of profit or of the associated costs not becomming an over run? Just say NO to this bait and switch!
by RAH
May 17, 2008 11:52 PM
The St. Petersburg Times asked four stadium experts who like the Times make there $ on the negative. Aaron Sharockman if your negativity on life wins I will miss the Ray's but I won't miss you because - you will be an economic cutback a cancer cut out and the Rays Yankees, Red Sox, etc will be playing in a new stadium somewhere else. Remember what an empty Trop was like Who will pay $70 M+ for Central Avenue Ghost Town. Cry wolf Aaron You are a hero among men
by Paul
May 17, 2008 11:52 PM
The Rays have to commit more of their own funds before this public will accept this proposal. Their only using us to make more $$$ for them. What will the city get for more attendance. The team must pay rent on a new stadium like other groups have to
by Donald
May 17, 2008 11:52 PM
Sounds like 3 out of 4 experts aren't impressed with the Rays offer. Neither am I.
by RayF
May 17, 2008 11:51 PM
Another biased article. Early in the article, it says "experts, who all are generally critical of taxpayer-funded sports facilities". What do you think they're going to say. Lousey.
by Larry
May 17, 2008 11:51 PM
None of the reports discussing a new stadium for the RAYS mentions the current stadium's capacity, or capacity of the new stadium. When did they last have a sellout? Not even when NYY were here this past home stand. I'm glad to see them winning!
by Paul
May 17, 2008 11:51 PM
what about lowering our taxes? My taxes went up 33% from 2006 to 2007. Lower my taxes St Pete, don't sell of City owned assets for a new stadium that tons of people don't want. See all the red yard signs? How the heck can you miss them??
by linda
May 17, 2008 11:50 PM
Check out the traffic/parking situation TODAY! for free musum day, imagine if there was a game.
by p
May 17, 2008 11:50 PM
First of all if the Rays do not commit to a long term stay and a competitive salary level they will not be competitive and will never draw adequate numbers to be viable. No public or taxpayer funds or assets should be committed to a risky private ven
by Get Smart
May 17, 2008 11:50 PM
It's not about the numbers. It's about these greedy Goldman Sachs investment bankers pumping the value of the team and then selling it off. Pure Ego and Greed
by Joe
May 17, 2008 11:50 PM
I can't believe the negativity & cynicism. It's a proposal. What's great about proposals? They're negotiable. Anything on an 85 acre site is better than parking lots. The experts don't say it's a scam. Read the statements again. Economics is not b&w.
by Russ
May 17, 2008 11:49 PM
Sure, we can make money and get more taxes off the land the Trop is on, but you could sell the land where Al Lang is, build a condo, and make almost the same amount.
by Paul
May 17, 2008 11:49 PM
Chuck, you can't possibly compare St Pete to Seattle. You have 10,000 millionaires, courtesy of your incredible employer, Microsoft. We are not Seattle. I would love for us to have a sliver of your success but we have nothing like you do.
by mlm
May 17, 2008 11:48 PM
I can't wait for the Rays to make a surprise run to the Wild Card and you idiots in St. Pete reject the stadium.
by Justin E
May 17, 2008 11:48 PM
Would you like some coffee to go with your pie in the sky?
by Greg
May 17, 2008 3:54 PM
The math will NEVER add up...this is a complete waste of money!
by chuck
May 17, 2008 3:54 PM
dont beso quick to be cynical. We had a similar situation in Seattle with a bad team in a dome for a long time. But the team got good, pennant races ensued and we got a new stadium. It was great for the whole area. Cost less than planned too.Go rays
by Robert
May 17, 2008 3:49 PM
Sale of the Trop does not, as stated by three of the "experts", entirely represent the sale of a public asset. The Rays, as current teants, have a leasehold interest in the property and that too is being sold.
by paul
May 17, 2008 3:48 PM
i won't go and I refuse to pay $9.00 for a beer at any sports venue. Ridiculous. Major league Sports is becoming an event for the elite. Everything is Overpriced .period.
by Ray
May 17, 2008 3:48 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what we have now. Kim is exactly right. I don't know about you but I would rather watch a game in air conditioning than in the blazing Florida sun.
by JB
May 17, 2008 3:45 PM
finally some experts weigh in and lets the public know that this has been a Scam from the Start. The New owners just want US to pay for this place. A half a Billion Dollars and it is just down the Road..Are you kidding me. DONT DO IT!
by L
May 17, 2008 3:43 PM
If the five families who really run St Pete can make a buck out of it, this stadium will happen, regardless of the posturing. And God help the rest of us, for no one else will.
by Kim
May 17, 2008 12:48 AM
We are going to be taken in on this stadium and will cost more then they project,cost us so much we will have to get county aid and state add.Our taxes will go up and never come down.
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