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In a sign of how the real estate market has imploded, property appraisers plan to figure in foreclosure sales when they value homes next year.
State Department of Revenue rules advise county property appraisers to ignore foreclosures and other types of "distressed" sales in favor of arms-length deals between willing buyers and sellers.
The belief is that such open market sales are truer indicators of home values. But that's only the case when foreclosure sales are relatively rare, not rampant like they are now, property appraisers are saying.
"The number of foreclosure sales we are dealing with now is so much greater than I have ever seen that I believe they have become part of the market," said Pam Dubov, Pinellas County's property appraiser-elect.
Warren Weathers, Hillsborough County's chief deputy appraiser, said that Dubov is right and that his office also will look at how to gauge the effect of foreclosure sales on values. In Pasco County, Appraiser Mike Wells has already done so for this year's tax roll.
"Some of the Department of Revenue rules are for a normal market," Weathers said, "and this is not a normal market."
Dubov and Weathers have yet to come up with a method for weighing how the inclusion of foreclosure sales will effect homeowners' property tax bills.
It's complex and uncharted territory, they said. Next week, appraisers from across Florida are meeting in St. Petersburg, and Dubov said she plans to raise the issue.
"We have to do some gaming of this and see what it looks like," she said. "I just know we can't do business as usual."
But both she and Weathers agree one likely result is that homeowners in areas with lots of foreclosure sales whose homes are assessed near market value will see their property tax bills drop next year, assuming governments don't raise tax rates.
In Pasco, Property Appraiser Wells said that in the spring he told his staff to consider foreclosure sales when developing the current tax roll. Wells said he did so after talking with his staff, his attorney and few others. He has yet to hear complaints from the state, or from homeowners who saw their tax bills dip.
"I believe it allowed me to come up with a fairer picture of the market, and what is going on out there," Wells said.
Jim Overton, Duval County property appraiser and president of the Florida Association of Property Appraisers, said he was unaware of Wells' move but isn't surprised others are eager to follow. The issue was discussed recently among appraisers at the national level, he said, and will be taken up by his association in coming months.
According to Dubov, Gov. Charlie Crist's office has asked the Department of Revenue for a review of the matter. Other than to say two or three appraisers have been in contact about the issue, the department declined to discuss what Dubov, Weathers and others plan.
Hernando County Property Appraiser Alvin Mazourek said he also was considering how to incorporate distressed sales into next year's values.
Though some homeowners may see their tax burden lift a bit, the decision by property appraisers to include foreclosure sales in their market analysis could reduce the amount of revenue going to already strapped local governments.
Incoming Pinellas administrator Bob LaSala said that in such a precarious economy it makes sense for appraisers to innovate and change their practices, even if it makes his job tougher.
"I wouldn't begrudge the homeowner who is struggling with a tax bill a solution that might make sense in this broader picture just because I've got constraints as well," LaSala said.
Florida is second only to California in the number of struggling borrowers who have lost their homes to lenders. In Tampa Bay area counties last month, 26 percent of real estate deals involved banks selling off properties reclaimed through foreclosure. Another 9 percent were "short sales," where borrowers behind on mortgages settle with lenders for less than what's owed.
That means in October more than one in three deals were distressed. The figure in September was 28 percent.
By comparison, in September 2007, 6 percent of sales were distressed; in September 2006, just 1 percent.
Peter K. Murphy, a real estate consultant with Home Encounter in Ybor City who provided the data on distressed deals, said that last month banks were selling foreclosed homes for 60 percent of market value.
Will Van Sant can be reached at vansant@sptimes.com or (727) 445-4166.
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Impact
On homeowners
Property appraisers are just beginning to consider ways to measure the impact of foreclosure sales on area home values. But they predict that homeowners in areas with lots of foreclosure sales could see their tax bills go down, so long as there's not too great a gap between the market and the assessed value of their homes. That means that newer home buyers and second homeowners are most likely to see a reduction. And if governments choose to raise tax rates, any reduction could vanish.
On governments
Property appraisers don't get preliminary tax rolls to local governments until May. Governments use those projections to develop their annual budgets. In theory, including foreclosure sales in the appraisal equation will result in less money going to local governments, which have been stung as the record revenues of the real estate boom years have vanished in today's ailing market. Voter-mandated curbs on the ability of local governments to collect taxes also played a role. With no relief in sight, governments can't be thrilled by what appraisers intend.
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Comments on this article
by Mark
Nov 20, 2008 5:08 PM
"Short Sale" are here to stay for another year or so,are also part of present market,appraisers must take them under consideration for their evaluation.Lenders must educate and give more authorities to negotiators to avoid delay.
by cedric
Nov 19, 2008 4:46 PM
My taxes on my property went up 16% this year. The city will find a way to raise it again next year...
by Dan
Nov 16, 2008 6:35 PM
It wouldn't be a suprise if they raise our taxes to make up for all the foreclosures. We had the chance to vote the Republicans out but blew it. Now are going to pay. They will not help us with prop tax issues.
by Leroy
Nov 15, 2008 8:50 PM
The greed of our so called "public servants" is appalling. Times are hard in the private sector yet the gov is still hiring more and act if they have a divine right to job security. Cut spending to the bone and lower taxes so people can survive.
by Warren
Nov 15, 2008 8:39 PM
Oh, boo hoo. The Times' glorious gubmint bureaucracy won't be getting their grimy hands on more taxpayer loot because of the housing slowdown. What a shame!
by Josie
Nov 15, 2008 8:36 PM
I wonder how many forclosures are also due to high taxes? Everyone blames the mortgage costs. In my case the taxes are more than my mortgage. Doesn't anyone out there get the FULL picture?
by melissa
Nov 15, 2008 8:35 PM
If you have Homestead Exemption, you will not see a reduction in taxes.
the new law says your rate goes up 3% every year instead of being based on value change. Whoopsie!
by JOHN
Nov 15, 2008 7:30 PM
PROPERTY TAX IS UNFAIR BECAUSE EVERY ONE THAT EARNS MONEY SHOULD PAY NOT JUST THOSE THAT OWN HOMES. EVERY ONE BEFIT SO WHY NOT EVERY ONE PAY
by Scott
Nov 15, 2008 7:17 PM
What is being seen across the country and throughout the state of Florida is a natural correction in the market. Home value's have been significantly overpriced for the past 5 or 6 years. Govts have reeped the benefits on the back of the worforce.
by kenny
Nov 15, 2008 7:12 PM
I just contested by taxes in Pasco County and was told you can't use forclosures or any sales after Jan 08.Mike Wells statement that it is figured into this years taxes is funny. 30 Year Pasco resident moving to Hernando.
by Cleotis
Nov 15, 2008 5:30 PM
Take all them lost value dollars and use them to build the convention center or new ball stadium. Use the dome to hold bunker oil for the national reserve.
by Albert
Nov 15, 2008 1:13 AM
Mr. Van Sant still hasn't figured it out. Taxes = taxable value x tax rate. One goes down, the other goes up. Until cities and counties can print their own money, don't count on a tax reduction because the values go down.
by JM
Nov 14, 2008 9:23 PM
Just another way for the taxpayers to pay for the screw up of others.First the bailout,now the auto industry and unpaid taxes on foreclosed houses.How much more can the taxpayer take.
by Kathy
Nov 14, 2008 9:19 PM
When homes are destroyed and insurance fails to pay for damages for years, I have noticed that the tax rolls and/or property records do not reflect the significant change in the properties value. Why is this?
by Eric
Nov 14, 2008 9:18 PM
It was not a " Normal market" when home values were increasing 20% per year what goes up must come down
by Tino
Nov 14, 2008 9:15 PM
No, banks are not "selling foreclosed homes for 60 percent of market value". That lower level IS the market value. Mr. Home Encounter needs to review his economics textbooks.
by Tino
Nov 14, 2008 9:14 PM
No, banks are not "selling foreclosed homes for 60 percent of market value". That lower level IS the market value. Mr. Home Encounter needs to review his economics textbooks.
by Darren
Nov 14, 2008 9:09 PM
So what is the financial rule that tells us when foreclosures "become part of the market." I don't get it; everything should be included (a next door foreclosure pulls you value down) all the time. Few f/cs, little effect, many f/c's large effect.
by Alan
Nov 14, 2008 9:08 PM
The present market may not appear "normal," but neither did the market of the previous ten years. There may be no such thing as normalcy in real estate markets. We've long assumed that prices can only rise, but that violates the laws of physics.
by Bland
Nov 14, 2008 8:57 PM
It has a sin that the County/City governments did not reduce the tax rates while we had the huge run up in property values from 1999 through 2004. They spent all that revenue and now are going to have no choice but to reduce government spending.
by T
Nov 14, 2008 8:54 PM
To ted - if you can't find a job in 4 years, the problem lies with you, not with the economy. And stop whining about how it's less than what you made in the past. Take a job and work yourself up.
by Bill
Nov 14, 2008 8:47 PM
Good to see Pasco's Wells ahead of the curve on this issue.He is correct in his logic and had the intelligence to act. Most wait for state direction which is pathetic as insurance woes will show.
by Mike J
Nov 14, 2008 8:41 PM
Assessment on my already over-valued little fixer-upper went from $124,000 to almost $153,000 this past year. I was astounded. How can the appraisal go up in a major slump?? Sheer gouging.My letter of disagreement was totally ignored. Some democracy.
by Danielle Kelley
Nov 14, 2008 8:40 PM
As a realtor, I see foreclosures as a bigger part of the area housing market today. However, when a foreclosure sale is compared in value to your home, it is adjusted because of its condition. Those looking to purchase, may now have the opportunity.
by Paul
Nov 14, 2008 8:17 PM
The value of a property is what the buyer will pay. The city and county need to go back to zero base budgets. Our tax system will be a farce until they do.
by Diane
Nov 14, 2008 8:15 PM
I have to learn to live with less spendable income here in St Pete so why can't my elected city officials do the same when drawing up city budgets?
by Howard
Nov 14, 2008 7:38 PM
Nowhere in this article did the recapture provision of the Save our Homes Amendmant come up. This provision provides for a tax increase inspite of the fact that values are going down. I would like to see more information on the recapture provision.
by ted
Nov 14, 2008 11:36 AM
If I could find a job (out 4+ yrs now!) I can only get 60% of what I made 15 years ago...So, while I might be able to afford a foreclosed property at todays 'reduced' prices these homes all still cost more than any job pays...add TX & Ins; forget it!
by James DeBernardi
Nov 14, 2008 11:35 AM
The cause of this-a natural cycle exacerbated by bank deregulation, no mortgage audits at state and federal level-REITS approved without rules), mortgage fraud, property insurance lobbies. A tragedy? Those doing it right-20% down got screwed badly!
by Tommy
Nov 14, 2008 11:35 AM
Its about time ! I'm paying huge taxes that are sinking me as my property is back to 2003 sales prices.
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