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For one batch of Tampa Bay swing voters, John McCain has already lost.
Two months ago, the undecided voters convened for a focus group at the St. Petersburg Times were decidedly antagonistic toward Barack Obama and in several cases leaning toward McCain. Today, just one of the 11 voters is backing McCain, nine expect to vote for Obama, and one remains torn.
Sarah Palin did most of the work of pushing them to the Democrat, but Obama also has managed to ease their doubts.
"I've felt for a long time that the Republican Party has been captured by people who are too far (in) the extremes — the religious right, the neo-cons. I had great hopes that I could see in McCain somebody who was different. I don't see that anymore,'' said Republican retired military officer Donn Spegal, 80, of Tierra Verde.
"You want several things out of a president, and I think Obama has potential. Intelligence is the first one, obvious love of country and dedication. He must be a pragmatist. We haven't had enough pragmatism, and I think Obama shows that."
Polls indicate a neck-and-neck race for Florida's 27 electoral votes, so this randomly selected group of formerly undecided voters is not necessarily a signal of which way Florida will tilt. But over three sessions of informal discussions about the election, many of the participants took remarkably similar journeys to reaching the conclusion that Obama was their candidate.
Widespread antagonism toward Obama in mid August gave way in September to overwhelming horror over McCain picking Palin as his vice presidential nominee. At the last session last week, most were scoffing at McCain's constant talk of Joe the Plumber, still calling Palin unqualified, divisive and grating, and acknowledging that Obama has grown on them.
"The first meeting, I was absolutely against Barack Obama, up one side and down the other. He was too young, he was too inexperienced. By the second one (after Palin joined the ticket), it was like, whoa, I don't know what I'm going to do now,'' said Annette Kocsis, a 68-year-old Democrat from Clearwater, who no longer worries so much about a President Obama.
"I think he's a more thoughtful person, more analytical than McCain,'' she said. "I feel that if he's in there, he's going to get advisers. … I'm hopeful that he'll get people who will talk back to him and say, 'You know, that's not the right thing to do.' And I just feel like that's the kind of people he'll have around him."
Temple Terrace Democrat Rhonda Laris, 53, also said she favored McCain originally but came to grips with her discomfort over voting for a presidential candidate younger than her. She also said she can't stomach Palin in the White House.
"And No. 3, Hillary asked me to vote for Obama,'' said Laris, a loan officer and formerly strong Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter who said even if Clinton's heart isn't behind Obama, her endorsement meant something.
Laris' interest in traveling abroad also helped move her to Obama: "I want the world to like us again."
After hours spent talking politics together, these voters had come to know one another reasonably well and sense one another's apparent leanings. So when Republican Mark Sayre, 50, of St. Petersburg declared he would vote for Obama, the room erupted in gasps. For Sayre — one of the group's only Palin fans — the final debate clinched it.
"I'm a very good judge of character. I've sold everything from newspapers to used cars,'' said Sayre, who concluded Obama has more integrity than McCain. "Basically, you just looked at these two and you trusted Obama. I was looking at their character. I was watching them — movements, hand gestures, face. You can tell."
Republican former professor Jim Soltis of Holiday, the lone McCain supporter, said he had initially leaned toward Obama but ultimately concluded among other things that Obama lacked the necessary experience and depth on foreign policy, and had too many controversial associations in his background. Soltis referred to the community organizing group ACORN, and suggested a President Obama could be taking advice from 1960s radical Bill Ayers.
Soltis, 70, cited Clinton's campaign ad questioning whether voters would want Obama answering the red phone at 3 a.m. when an international crisis erupts.
"I think a big difference would be, McCain would get out the six-shooter while Obama's going to pick up the phone and call somebody and ask them what they thought,'' responded Oldsmar Democrat Carlos Gonzalez, 70, another former Clinton supporter who has warmed up to Obama.
Independent Riverview voter Tom Gerhart, 66, had shared Soltis' strong concerns about Obama's background, but now intends to vote for Obama anyway.
"I don't know that I'm any less uncomfortable about the associations, but I think I have developed more respect for Obama's more positive associations, I guess,'' said Gerhart, a retired consultant and IBM staffer. "The man's very bright, and I don't think I appreciated that as much as I do now."
Republican Philinia Lehr, a stay-at-home mother in Largo, acknowledged her likely vote for Obama will be unenthusiastic.
She is skeptical about his plans to expand access to health insurance, and with her husband earning more than $250,000 a year, she would see her taxes rise under Obama's plans. At the same time, she thinks tax relief for middle-class families probably makes more sense than concentrating tax relief on the wealthiest Americans.
"Do I really want to (pay higher taxes)? No,'' said Lehr, 37. "But it's like a marriage. It's give and take. You have to say, 'Okay, this is what we have to do. We have to stand up. We're in a major crisis. We all need to do something.' "
Soltis, the only McCain voter, left the meeting with some parting advice to his fellow voters: Remember 1948, he said, referring to Harry Truman's stunning upset over Thomas Dewey.
Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727)893-8241.
The Undecideds
The Times has been following a group of undecided voters since August. Here's where they stand as Election Day approaches:
Likely supporting Obama
• Democrat Annette Kocsis, 68, of Clearwater, retired secretary.
• Democrat Rhonda Laris, 53, of Temple Terrace, loan officer.
• Republican Philinia Lehr, 37, of Largo, homemaker.
• Republican Mark Sayre, 50, of St. Petersburg.
• Democrat Annette Maakestad, 57, of St. Petersburg.
• Republican Donn Spegal, 80, of Tierra Verde, retired military officer-teacher.
• Independent Tom Gerhart, 66, of Riverview, retired consultant.
• Independent Bill Chever, 56, of St. Petersburg, retired Air Force.
Democrat Carlos Gonzalez, 70, of Oldsmar, retired from career in higher education.
Supporting McCain
• Republican Jim Soltis, 70, of Holiday, former professor.
Still undecided
• Democrat Rebecca Montilla, 22, of Tampa, premed student at USF.
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Comments on this article
by John
Oct 23, 2008 7:06 PM
From Obama's mouth "I want to spread the wealth" This is what he will do with your money, tax you and spend it on people who want everyone else to support them. I will vote for McCain, he is no Bush and an experienced leader.
by Orin
Oct 23, 2008 7:04 PM
Mike reminds us that McCain once was on the correct side on the tax issue. I just hope that the Republicans are not going to torch down McCain's house(s) for fear that he too is a socialist.
by Henrise
Oct 23, 2008 6:59 PM
Modern media will bear any burden, bury any embarrassment bring forth any rumor to get Obama elected. The praying among them need to hope and pray for the perfection promised. Look around, the last honest journalist's gone like a lost Mohican.
by PJ
Oct 23, 2008 6:56 PM
McCain supporters just can't get over the fact the media love and worship the One. These people need to get over the illusion that reporters will keep their jobs if they are honest about Obama's flaws or McCain's virtues. Reporters all hack for B.O.
by Murfinthekeys
Oct 23, 2008 6:54 PM
I am so sick of the country being divided by the republican-democrat rivalry with its mud-slinging demeanor. It is distressing to see how we turn on each other over issues neither side seems to be able to resolve. The two party system is a failure.
by Tony
Oct 23, 2008 6:52 PM
The DEMS handed us the Financial Crisis, why is no one hoisting them up for scrutiny? Barney Franks! Obama! All benefitted and FOUGHT the Republican attempts to regulate Fannie and Freddie
by RAH
Oct 23, 2008 6:51 PM
No one is going to openly support Obama when questioned by the media after the election the newspaper and blushing zebras will not be the only thing Black and White and red all over
by joe
Oct 23, 2008 6:49 PM
mccain is still the same guy from 8 years ago. he has had to change his message to comform to the party to get the nomination. he would not conform to them as president. mccain gets my vote.
by Scott
Oct 23, 2008 6:43 PM
Would you hire a mechanic to work on your brakes with no experience? Would you have a doctor with no experience take out your appendix? The WHY in GOD'S NAME WOULD YOU ELECT A PRESIDENT THAT HAS NO EXPERIENCE TO LEAD THE FREE WORLD? LEMMING STUPIDITY
by A.H.
Oct 23, 2008 6:23 PM
Manuel, you are not the only one to notice that fact about the supporters. Notice the Obama supporters aren't being mean, they are stating opinions, the McCain crowd is spewing vitriol. Typical.
by Troy
Oct 23, 2008 6:23 PM
If any of you believe that anything is going to get better with either of these candidates you are greatly deceived. Both are politicians and will tell you what you want to hear in order to get elected. Truth is you must vote the lesser of two evils.
by Troy
Oct 23, 2008 6:22 PM
The evil of Obama is free abortions for all at tax payers expense. Then welcome the anti-hate speech crime act and their goes your 1st amendment. Then you can welcome the fairness doctrine and kiss goodbye your freedom.And by the way pay higher taxes
by Fred
Oct 23, 2008 6:21 PM
I don't work and don't pay taxes.... so please vote for Obama. I need some of your money! "Spread The Wealth Brother!"
by mike
Oct 22, 2008 11:07 PM
On May 26, 2001, McCain was one of only two Republicans to vote against President Bush's $1.35 trillion, 10-year tax cut.
Two years later, in May, 2003, McCain was just one of three Republicans to vote against additional Bush tax cuts.
speaking on the Senate floor, McCain said, "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief."
by Manuel
Oct 22, 2008 10:32 PM
All the negative comments here by Mccain/Palin supporters seems in denial stage. Very bitter and angry. Let's be civil and respect each others' opinion and choice. We're all part of our beloved America not pro-America or Anti-America.
by Cindee
Oct 22, 2008 4:39 PM
The republicans have spent over 400,000 to put lipstick on their pig.
We don't need Sarah FREE RIDE Palin or McPAIN, time for CHANGE, not more of the same. OBAMA-- the best hope for our children and grandchildren's FUTURE!
by Manuel
Oct 22, 2008 4:38 PM
All the negative comments here by Mccain/Palin supporters seems in denial stage. Very bitter and angry. Let's be civil and respect each others' opinion and choice. We're all part of our beloved America not pro-America or Anti-America.
by John A.
Oct 22, 2008 4:38 PM
Where did the John McCain who ran 8 years ago dissapear to? That was a man I could vote for - this new McCain sold his soul, values, and character to the radical right in hopes of being annointed President at long last. Sad. I will vote for Obama.
by Jen
Oct 22, 2008 4:38 PM
I'm so glad to see Arnold back in the mix. His comments always make me laugh. Thanks! You are sooo funny. Sometimes, when I doubt myself, all I have to do is read what you write. Then I know my early vote for Obama was 100% correct. LOL!
by Stanley
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
Sen McCain was a decent man / war hero. But he will be a victim of the same corrupt forces that have captured the republican party, and handed us a possible great depression.
Sen Obama came from Poverty to the middle class. He will help Joe Citizen
by Frank
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
I have a message for John McCain. I'm outraged that you're escalating your campaign of fear-mongering by using robocalls to try to associate Barack Obama with terrorists. It should come as no surprise that this strategy has led to a dangerous, hateful atmosphere on your campaign trail. I don't want to see Americans divided by fear and hate, and I'm deeply concerned about where this could lead. For the sake of our country, take some responsibility and stop this now.
Let's put a stop to the race-baiting and fear-mongering once and for all.
by Cindy
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
Obviously, games are being played with these polls, because the polls go up and down but the undecided remain around 8%. People are not telling pollsters their choice, just like Joe the Plumber, for fear of being attacked. The biased media decides.
by Tony
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
I tried,but in the end, as I approach election day, I realize that the McCain I'm seeing is not the McCain I expected. Combative, erratic, unprepared and unwilling to distinguish himself from eight disastrous years of Bushism. Self destructive period
by donk
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
Instead of remembering 1948, when Truman surprised the world and beat Dewey, I'm remembering 2000 and 2004, when Bush surprised the world and beat Gore and Kerry. Of course in remembering those elections, I work all the harder to prevent vote fraud.
by Harry
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
As a current professor myself, I find it troubling that a former professor could be so easily hoodwinked by non-issues like Ayres. One would think professors could exercise a little more critical judgment.
by Edward
Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM
Why did I get this story when I clicked the link "PolitiFact: Yes, the Jim Smith land deal cost $1-million "???
by Arnold
Oct 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Adam Smith? Floater in the Obama tank. What he writes has no value to either side except to cheer on the Obamorrhoids. Obviously he chose a group to whom facts and history mean nothing, just read their comments, that's the Obama type all the way.
by Casey
Oct 22, 2008 11:33 AM
I laughed at one point when one republican member of the focus group claimed about himself that he was a good judge of character. Being a republicI bet he voted for Bush twice when it was obvious to many observors that Bush would be a bad president.
by Lee
Oct 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Based on the one-sided coverage for Obama in the Times,I really do not trust this article.Smith emailed me saying when it was announced, everyone said it was being thrown for McCain,but it was never announced.I do not believe these are Republicans.
by dave
Oct 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Just when i think the SPT can go no further left, you run this story again. While the REAL poll numbers now show McCain ahead, you run a front page story with your 11 handpicked "sample" and say voters are leaning toward Obama. You s/b embarrassed!!
by Arnold
Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM
This is a contest between McCain (perhaps the best candidate since Lincoln) and Obama (perhaps the worst one ever), proud service to America vs anti-American history, performer vs slacker, real Americans vs bottom-feeders, moderation vs extremism.
by Phyllis
Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM
I attended the Obama rally on Monday.....It was a very diverse representation of the citizens of our country. I feel he will be the one that will consider ALL of us during his decisionmaking as president. I know he'll get the popular vote. but will
by Joe
Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM
Oh Wow, you came up with this brilliant deduction by polling 11 people, give me a break.
by Joe B.
Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM
Yeah, right, another small handpicked group singled out by the very biased St Pete Times.
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